by American Kabuki
8/2/13 Note: minor corrections to law origins of Papal fealty in England -AK
8/4/13 struck out text that was not historically accurate, inserted text and link to an article that gives the in depth story of how England swore fealty to the Vatican. -AK
If you've been wondering how the Pope Francis recent Apostolic Letter regarding the Roman Curia law removing legal immunity and liability from governments, attorneys and judges, might affect governments around the world, then read on. I got many inquiries asking for how a Roman law can affect an ostensibly secular government. And that's a far enough question...and I couldn't remember the exact reason in law why that was true, so I asked a friend who I knew would know.
I got this reply from a friend well versed in law and the history of the legal systems:
It pre-dates this but in looking to John the Noble (King John) before the Magna Carta, He was trying to break away from the Vatican back in the middle ages, I can get dates later.
Pope Innocent III in 1216 stuck King John's balls to the fire with the king's nobles by threatening to excommunicate him and all of England if he did not pledge fealty to the Papal SEE (along with money and land).
The nobles threatened to wage war to dethrone him. He caved. Hence the Papal SEE took over the title to the land of England and its wealth. The Magna Carta came about as a result of John's reign pissing off the nobles with the contention with Pope Innocent III in 1216. John's judicial reforms had a lasting impact on the English common law system.
In fundamentals of law class I learned that Roman Law is a foundation of modern law (not Natural Law - 2 different entities). Later on Church law became the overseer of that existing law. Papal Bulls took over around 1455 which is much like the current Executive Orders each succeeding tyrant signs to circumvent the constitutional; based law here.
LATE UPDATE: 8/2/2013 3:37 PM I got this URL from Lisa Harrison to an article that goes into the importance of Pope Francis Apostolic Letter to law: http://blog.ucadia.com/2013/07/motu-proprio-of-francis-and-why-by-rule.html Its well worth a read!
LATER UPDATE 8/2/2013 4:44 PM I got another URL from Lisa Harrison, this one is a video that gives a good deal of background history on the Vatican bank (IOR) and how the Vatican came to control vast tracks of land. http://www.presstv.com/Program/313317.html
I knew the deed for Washington DC was held at a Catholic Diocese (read thread found HERE):
I wasn't aware the purported "government" was registered as religious non-profit corporation in Delaware. This was sent to me today... given the above it's really not surprising I suppose....but here it is in black and white!....from the D&B sponsored Mantra Corp website, linked below:
If you click on the “Government of the United States HQ” link, you’ll see another website page with some fairly detailed—and possibly bewildering—information. For example, you’ll see that this “Government of the United States” has its address at:
“The U.S. Capitol
“Washington, DC 20515-0001”
Its phone number is “(202) 224-3121”. Business Hours are “24/7”.
You can click the “map” link and see a graphic indicating that this “Government” is located on “Capitol Hill” (same place as Congress) in Washington DC.
None of that seems particularly surprising (other than the idea that our “Government” might be a “company” and/or a conglomerate of “companies”). But the Manta.com report does begin to seem a little strange under the heading “About Government Of The United States” where we read:
“government, owner Archbishop Deric R. McCloud of Basilica Shrine, Michigan and 4th NE Street, Washington,DC”.
USA INC Corp Registration in Delware