Sunday, September 15, 2013

The secret of Stan Meyer's "car on water"
even he himself did not know

The stories of Stan Meyer's water car have fascinated me for years. I hope this guy succeeds! -Bill

The secret of Stan Meyer's "car on water" even he himself did not know
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By Arend Lammertink, MScEE.

What follows is what I believe to be the true story about Stan Meyer's dune buggy, which has been shown to run on water on a TV station in Ohio.

Somewhere around 1980-1985 the car ran on water, but then it stopped working.


What happened?

He happened to have used electropolished stainless steel.

But he did not know that.

Nobody did.

And nobody found out.

Until 2013.

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The discovery of a secret

My investigation of this technology began at the energetic forum, where I joined in 2008. In December 2009, I noted that the similarities between John Bedini's "cold boiling batteries" and Stan Meyer's technology were striking:

"All in all, I think both are using the same energy source: the super-polarized dielectricum and that is which is apparantly able to provide excess energy."

Aaron Murakami commented:

"I have showed this for years. Imhotep even mentioned it about a cap that seems to not be able to die because it keeps itself charged up like an electret - from a conditioning effect. Anyway, there is something to it."

"The "boiling" effect isn't necessarily unwanted when charging batteries with the Bedini method. They will COLD boil, even up to an hour after the charger is disconnected if using for example, high capacitance low voltage discharges."

Based on this, we can conclude that there is at least one known way to produce hydrogen and oxygen gas without any current being fed into the system and without any resonance whatsoever taking place.

Then, I did some experiments with a home-made electrolytic capacitor, using the recipe of Nyle Steiner. An interesting clue brought forth by Steiner is that old school electrolytic rectifiers, very similar to home made electrolytic capacitors, produce a visible glow during operation. Such a glow has also been reported by some of the more successful water fuel cell replicators.

The conclusion so far is that Meyers fuel cell must have been some kind of electrolytic capacitor made out of stainless steel instead of aluminum. Characteristic of electrolytic capacitors is that these are made by growing a very thin layer of a dielectric material, a material that can be polarized, on one of the metal capacitor plates. This is what gives an electrolytic capacitor its capacity. And as we saw, these kind of things show interesting behavior when they are charged with high voltage spikes, as both Bedini and Meyer did.

As I already suspected, polarized dielectrics can indeed provide excess energy, without breaking the law of conservation of energy. This follows from the excellent theoretical research of the German Professor Claus Turtur, who also proved his thesis experimentally by showing that an electric field can do work without drawing any current from the power supply:

In this video, I explain the theory we have covered so far:

Now the question becomes: how can we create a suitable dielectric layer on stainless steel, such that we can make an electrolytic capacitor with stainless steel instead of aluminum? Since in aluminum based electrolytic capacitors the dielectric which makes the capacitor works is an oxide of aluminum which is grown electrochemically, we first need to find out which oxide could be grown on stainless which has the desired properties. That turned out to be chromium(III) oxide, Cr2O3, which has very similar dielectric properties as aluminum oxide. And then it turned out that it is exactly the right oxide which is being grown on stainless steel in a process called electropolishing, which has been used in the industry in a/o the food industry and for medical applications for years.

In other words: all that is needed to turn a water fuell cell along Stan's design into an electrolytic capacitor is to use electropolished stainless. A tiny detail, which turned out to have had major consequences. With electropolished stainless, you get a device capable of providing excess energy. Without it, you get, well, a big problem.

A working car that stopped working

Very little footage is available wherein the dune buggy is actually demonstrated to run. The best known footage is the news report, which aired in 1985. It is part of a video known as "Backyard Buggy Demonstration, long version" :

Audio difficult to hear due to background buggy noise. Originally filmed in Stan's backyard by his wife Marilyn. Transcripts at IonizationX in buggy photo topic. The 9 minute version has the basics backyard segment, the 1985 WTVN newscast followed by about a minute and a half taken at another time of Stan doing some preparations before cruising down Harrisburg Pike in Grove City, Ohio. Stan Graumlich and Charles C Holbrook are seen in the video outtake. Buildings in background at the end are of the Lincoln Leveque tower which is how WTVN used to end its news broadcasts during that time. Copy of the original was held by Columbus Dispatch news department

And that's about it. As far as I have been able to find, about 9 minutes of footage have survived wherein the dune buggy is actually shown running, either driving or just the engine running. While we cannot place exact dates on this footage, it appears that all of this footage has been taken in the period around 1980-1985, give or take a few years.

After that period, suddenly, no more footage of an actually running car is to be found. One of the most notable examples thereof is this documentary, aired by the BBC in 1994:

In this video, the buggy is shown running, but that is old footage from the 1985 WTVN newscast. That raises the question: why did Stan not simply restore his old working system for this important occasion? Why is there footage from the early 80's, but is none to be found from the 90's?

The logical conclusion is that the car stopped working. But why? And why couldn't he fix it?

Did the injector system actually ever work in the car, or any engine for that matter?

If it did, why can we find videos of Meyer explaining and showing the car, but not a single one wherein the car is actually running? Why would he not show the car running, unless it was uncapable of doing so?

Given the basic conclusion from my theory, which is that the system could not have worked unless he would have used electropolished stainless, it is interesting to know what kind of stainless he might have used. A private email sent to me said this:

the stainless tubes were of differing gauges and likely purchased or obtained as scrap. (See magnifiied images and photogrammetry at ionizationx)

A common place to get scrap metal at the time was the Joyce Ave Scrap Co. located in Columbus

In fact look at p 40 of the IITER report and he used a company called Materials Joining Company Col-x locacted at 901 East Hudson which is just a couple miles from the scrap yard the characteristics of the samples stan provided are listed

According to Charlie Hughes when Stan was running the tractor at the farm, it had about 50 exciter tubes (listen to phone interview)

When we add all this together, I think we can reasonably conclude that Stan got his car running ONLY during the (early) 80's and that it is likely that he used scrap components. So, it is entirely possible and even likely that he just happened to get his hands on a set of scrap electropolished stainless tubes, whatever the source of these might have been. And since it is very likely that the dielectric "passivation" layer on the stainless will slowly but surely wear out when being plagued with high voltages, we can reasonably conclude that the performance of the system slowly degraded until eventually the car stopped working altogether. He may have had additional electropolished tubes from the same source with which he might have kept things going for a certain amount of time, but at some point, it was all over. And whatever he tried, that single special batch of tubes were the only tubes that worked.

So, what would you have done? You would have gotten your steel tested. And that is exactly what Stan did. On page 46 of a WFC report we find the results of a chemical analysis of steel samples provided by Stan, dated December 22, 1982.

The results of these analysis were that the composition of the steel was just ordinary 304 stainless steel. Exactly what you would expect with electropolished stainless, because the only difference between ordinary steel and electropolished steel is the thickness of the passivation layer which normally protects the stainless from rusting, BUT is also a dielectric, a key ingredient for making an electrolytic capacitor.

One can only imagine what Stan must have gone trough. He HAD a working car on water. He KNEW it was possible. But the car stopped working and he never found out why. He went everywhere for answers, even to NASA, and ran into a brick wall wherever he went.

Yet, he never gave up. All he wanted is to make this a better world for all of us.

And we OWE it to him and our children to finish this. Now that we understand HOW it works, we have everything we need to do so. We can't change the past, but we can change the future. And that's what we are going to do, working "open source" together. NO ONE can stop this anymore, we're in for a revolution. One one simply cannot kill an idea.

There is one thing stronger than all the armies in the world, and that is an idea whose time has come.

May Stan rest in peace and may the fruits of the unprecedented accomplishments of this great inventor finally lead to peace and prosperity on this planet.

Support my research?

So far, I've never asked people for donations. This time I do, because I am determined to bring this technology into the hands of the people. Of course, when you read this, you have all the information and references needed to do this yourself and I do invite you to do so and share your experiences on the internet.

However, I will have all the time in the world in 2014 to actually do his, because I will be without a job by then. To me, this is a wonderful opportunity to start my own open source company to do just that. The drawings of Stan's original design have surfaced and CAD drawing have been made of those and all the parts needed can be produced in Asia. I have the contacts to have these mass produced and I have contacts who can help me with funding for such an operation.

However, these all ask the same question:

"Do you have a working prototype?"

No, I haven't.

So, I need to build a working prototype. I have an old 1 cylinder lawn mower engine, which is perfect for such a proof of concept prototype. The electronics and parts for such a POC can be ordered online in the UK. The only modification necessary to those kits is to have the tubes electropolished by a specialized company, or replace the tubes with off the shelf electropolished stainless.

That's costing some money. I would need between EUR 500,- and 1000,- to be able to do this. So, if you want to see this happen and can spare, say, 10 Euros or Dollars for this cause, please consider donating a few bucks.

If you chose to do so, please donate to via PayPal. All donations received via PayPal will be spent on this project. Should I receive more than needed for the POC, I will reserve the rest for getting the original design of Stan working, by ordering parts in Asia which will cost somewhere around EUR 1500 for 10 cells. Once that is done, the cells can be mass produced in Asia, or anywhere else on the planet, and put together in just about any well equipped (hobby) garage.

Everything payed for by donations will be open sourced and I will post my progress at the RWGResearch section of the open-source-energy forum.

Another way of donation would be if you happen to have some electropolished (scrap) stainless pipes, sheets or something you could spare and would be willing to mail to the Netherlands. Ideally would be to have like 10 sets of stainless pipes which fit into one another with a spacing of somewhere around 2 mm and with a length of something like 20 - 35 cm. However, anything electropolished would at least allow me to do some experiments. So that would be more than welcome, too. Drop me a mail at if you have something to share in this regard.

Needless to say, your donations, either in hardware or financial form, are greatly appreciated!

I will report donations received and what it's spent on here.

Final words

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  1. Every time I hear anything regarding Stan Myers I have to giggle, the man was a genius. But the reason for my giggling takes me back when I went on holiday/vacation to the U.S. I visited Epcot In Disneyland Orlando, their was a ride in there called test track. At the end of the ride you get out and walk through the promotions area were they had GM vehicles on display. The man that was promoting this vehicle boasted that GM invented the water engine (Hydrogen), I looked at him let him carry on boasting when I leaned forward to him and said "That's strange, Stan Myers invented this water engine and mysteriously died in the 80's how do you explain that"? It stopped him in his tracks were he swiftly ran and disappeared, probably waiting until I left the building. Just a funny moment. He probably realised not all people that visit Disneyland are morons!

  2. It is a revolutionary idea which was stopped in tracks because it was quite obvious that the oil industries would go down one by one as soon as such a vehicle would become commercial .... I hope your project really works out ! I really do ! ..... and i don't know if you've heard of the site ... its a site where people begin their own project (like you will) and the people eager enough , will fund you .. you really need to check that site ! I'm sure it will change your view of how the project would commence :) Good Day!


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